EU Parliament Event - 11th May 2017

Discussion in 'Events' started by Fuserleer, May 11, 2017.

  1. JollyRoger23

    JollyRoger23 Beta Testers

    Forcing people to pay for it through taxation is unethical.
     
  2. Peachy

    Peachy Founders Staff Member

    Complaining is easy. Change takes work.
    Maybe unethical (depending on your definition), but I don't see another way.
     
  3. tesslerc

    tesslerc Beta Testers

    Not sure if serious or joking.

    How do you suggest countries cope with threats such as ISIS and other radical organizations?
    How do you suggest roads, water supply etc... will be built (i.e allowing people to stay alive somehow)?

    You think that the rich should get richer and the poor should stay poor. You think that the fact that someone was born to a wealthy family is a good enough excuse for him to have a better chance than anyone else at life.

    Stop thinking only about yourself, and think what would happen were you the unfortunate one. Had you been less lucky and born to a lesser family at a lesser country. Would you still think that someone should have a better life only because he was born differently than you?

    So that's the job of the government. Not to do what benefits the rich or the poor, but to do what benefits the collective. Capitalism is the only way to keep progress going, you need to allow individuals to reap the fruits of their hard work (or luck), but also some means of socialism is required in order to allow for a fairer system and give others a better chance had they been less lucky at birth.

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    Sorry this is probably way off-topic.
     
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  4. Ryan.a85

    Ryan.a85 Founders Staff Member

    Taxation is unethical because of logic.

    Unfortunately I didn't find any simple video explaining this, but there are some recommended readings for anyone interested.

    https://archive.lewrockwell.com/kinsella/kinsella15.html
    A few interesting quotes:

    To be an anarchist only means that you believe that aggression is not justified, and that states necessarily employ aggression. And, therefore, that states, and the aggression they necessarily employ, are unjustified. It's quite simple, really. It's an ethical view, so no surprise it confuses utilitarians.

    States always tax their citizens, which is a form of aggression. They always outlaw competing defense agencies, which also amounts to aggression. (Not to mention the countless victimless crime laws that they inevitably, and without a single exception in history, enforce on the populace. Why minarchists think minarchy is even possible boggles the mind.)

    Conservative and minarchist-libertarian criticism of anarchy on the grounds that it won't "work" or is not "practical" is just confused. Anarchists don't (necessarily) predict anarchy will be achieved — I for one don't think it will. But that does not mean states are justified.
    Consider an analogy. Conservatives and libertarians all agree that private crime (murder, robbery, rape) is unjustified, and "should" not occur. Yet no matter how good most men become, there will always be at least some small element who will resort to crime. Crime will always be with us. Yet we still condemn crime and work to reduce it.


    And a "heavier" article (starts after Libertarian Rights)

    http://www.stephankinsella.com/publications/defending-argumentation-ethics/

    It is impossible for socialism to be fair because it's rules do not have any resemblance of universalizability (actually that's true for any form o state).

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    Yeah, way off-topic but productive ;)
    Don't you think?
     
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  5. dude

    dude New Member

    This is off topic, but relates to exposure. I'm curious if CryptoKitties would work with Radix? If so, that would be great exposure. Call it "CryptoKittens" and scale it to actually work. It would make the news everywhere - this new Crypto that's better than ETH.
     
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  6. Peachy

    Peachy Founders Staff Member

    There's already a service call "Apps" within the system where you can enable/upload decentralized applications to be offered for sale. (Think Apple App Store and Google Play). However, with our solution the owners reap the profits vs. the heavily skewed payment model Apple and Google offer. (e.g. 30% of app revenue goes to Apple vs. a decentralized solution that is MUCH lower)

    As for CryptoKitties, I think that is actually designed much like a smart contract. For that we will already have the Radix Scrypto functionality enabled to be able to replicate something similar using a decentralized javascript-like environment.
     
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  7. dude

    dude New Member

    Awesome! If this tech works we're in for a heck of a ride. I'm excited to build apps without needing a server.
     
  8. JollyRoger23

    JollyRoger23 Beta Testers

    I am very serious about it. I've been researching and learning about the subject for over three years. How long have you been researching it? Your ignorant, rude and condescending reply sounds like one from a slave that reveres their chains. You make a lot of assumptions about me but you know almost nothing about me.

    If you would like to learn about liberty and ethics, try...
    http://tomwoods.com/
    https://freedomainradio.com/
    https://mises.org (https://mises.org/library/ethics-liberty)
     
  9. Anima

    Anima Founders Staff Member

    Socialism is the belief that individuals have entitlement to the fruits of other individuals work or their service through taxation of productive individuals. Its enforced through coercion; under the threat of violence. Its unethical.

    The only real reason for government is to protect private ownership of property, but even that could be offered by private companies.

    Equality in therefore unfair, since its aim is to redistribute from those who work hard and provide value to society to those who are not able to sell their services - typically due to government laws stating they are not allowed to sell their service below a ratified price.

     

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